Aloha everybody, welcome to my 5th VS Strat Guide, and boy do we
got a fun one today! A while back in my Stitch blog I Proved this verse is a
lot more powerful than people give it credit for, but now, I get to show off
how Versatile and Haxy it is too. But despite that, no verse is invincible so
let’s look into how to be OP in Lilo & Stitch, shall we?
Planet Tier:
This is the Tier Stitch was at throughout most of the cartoon
series and the earlier parts of his anime, this Tier also includes the vast
majority of Stitch’s Cousins and powerful aliens like Jumba. Stat wise,
characters in this tier are solidly planet level, due to a multitude of feats
such as Richter being able to bust a planet destroying asteroid, Phoon, Ace and
Sparky all tanking the shockwave of two planets violently breaking apart in a
collision, and of course scaling to Early Stitch who tanked a planet sized
explosion that vaporized the portion of the planet he was standing on. In
Speed, they also all Scale to an early version of Stitch, Who has numerous
quadruple digit mach feats such as running across a large island hundreds of
times in an instant, leaving them near Sub-Relativistic.
Going into what this tier can Do, it can Do a LOT, first off Jumba
is a complete and total Sci-Fi super genius able to create level 3 technology
like time travel devices in a relatively short time frame, and that's not even
mentioning the literally Hundreds of superpowered genetic experiments he has
produced. Going into some of those, we got Slick who is SO manipulative he can
effectively trick anyone in the series into buying whatever he wants, and we
also have Kixx, an experiment so skilled in combat, he straight up mastered
every single form of combat in the Galaxy, so the verse is already very well
rounded in terms of smarts and skill so trying to out play them at those things
won't be very efficient to say the least.
Going into Powers, this verse has Quite the Arsenal, all
experiments can breathe in space, numerous experiments like Ace and Snooty can
fly, Felix can shoot lasers, Backhoe has extreme digging powers and they have a
wide range of elemental powers including Fire, Water, Earth, Ice, Air, Light,
Acid, Electricity and even Plasma Manipulation. The Verse has Potent Stealth
abilities such as Spooky or Morpholomew who can shapeshift, or Houdini who can
turn himself AND others Invisible. That said, it isn’t the best idea to use
stealth against the verse as numerous of the experiments have insane super
senses, including Shush or Link who can hear and see everything from across the
island respectively and not to mention Finder, who is somehow able to straight
up detect ANYTHING that exists. Link can also fire a super strong binding
substance nothing in the verse can break, Mr. Stenchy and Mrs. Sickly can drive
out whole areas with their odors, and for some reason LOTS of experiments seem
to have the power to be just Really annoying to people.
Getting into some slightly more potent abilities, Shrink has size
manipulation abilities, Drowsy can put someone into a permanent state of sleep,
and albeit weaker, Dupe can make numerous clones of himself or his allies. Both
Coco and Bugby have Transmutation Hax, Babyfier has Age Manipulation, and
there's also a bunch of intangible experiments, like Phantasmo who can even
possess people.
Speaking of which there are a LOT of Experiments with Mental
Manipulation powers, including Swirly and Checkers who both can just straight
up mind control large populations of people, Carmen who has Bodily Control, Lax
who can instill immense apathy, Amnesio who can erase memories, Spike who can
take away someone's intelligence and Swapper who can switch people's minds.
Also its standard issue that experiments can resist mental manipulation on this
same scale.
Many of the experiments have physical defenses built purely into
their biology as well. Beings like Fudgy or Sparky are logia creatures made of
fudge, electricity, clouds etc. There’s Sprout, who is a sentient plant that
can spread and grow out of control until he takes over a whole planet with all
the vegetation being his very biomass, and even worse than that you have
experiments like Poxy and Glitch, both of which are microscopic organisms, Poxy
of which basically turns into a deadly plague that infects biological
organisms, and Glitch being the same thing only he does it to Machines.
And because this tier is absolutely ridiculous, we can now get on
to the ACTUALLY Haxy stuff. There's Holio, who can create literal blackhole
singularities the size of entire doorways wherever he goes, Skip, an experiment
who can travel through time (and I should probably mention experiments are immune
to aging too) and, a personal fave experiment of mine, Toons who is able to
simulation summon perfectly accurate characters from any piece of media he gets
a hold of even drawings. The Experiment, Shoe, has Probability Manipulation,
able to cause good luck to his allies and bad to his enemies, Remmy has quite
literally Freddy Krueger esk dream powers and you got Retro, with the power of
Retrogression, or the ability to reduce anything down to its most primitive
state, be it turning advanced technology into its most rudimentary state
possible like a gun to a boomerang, or straight up reversing evolution when
used on a person. There's Wishy Washy who is basically a genie experiment who
can warp reality with the wishes, although he has a limited wish supply.
Last but not least there's the Experiment who is a Legit VS
Obstacle at this tier, Snafu! This little jerk has the ability to ruin any and
all plans that anyone makes, this is a legit sabotage hax as no plan can be
made and succeed so long as he’s around, and even with All the Genius and Hax
contained within the Lilo & Stitch series, it is canon in universe that
Snafu literally can’t be stopped unless one does so completely by accident!
So...HOW do you counter this verse? What Strategies are effective?
Well this verse is gonna be really challenging to say the least. Due to
characters like finder stealth is completely useless, You also need to be able
to attack foes who are microscopic, logia AND Intangible, and because of all
the hax in the verse you either need a lot of hax resistance yourself, or you
need to avoid having a body all together. Due to the Excessive amount of Mind
Hax in particular you will need an ability to endure that as well, but Mind Hax
in and of itself is very unlikely to work against them.
Also thanks to Snafu no plan would succeed until you take him out,
This in particular limits your options as the only ways I can think of to
counter this are to either 1, be a non-sentient Mindless entity, or 2, have a
potent passive ability that would take Snafu out for you.
This verse does have weaknesses though, that being Jumba and a lot
of the Experiments can be rather prideful and underestimate their opponents.
But past that the most effective Power to use against this verse is Energy
Draining, as ALL Experiments run on an artificial powercell Jumba made, which
makes it the only universal weakness they all share.
So who do I Think would be able to capitalize on this?
Zeromus:
Well Zeromus from Final Fantasy IV certainly has a decent shot!
Zeromus is a giant immortal monster capable of destroying planets and traveling
at Sub Relativistic Speeds putting him on par with the experiments in stats.
Zeromus comes equipped with Low Godly Regen, Intangibility and high end Mind
Manipulation Resistance, which already makes it nearly impossible for him to
truly Lose to the characters in this verse as a lotta the hax of the series
require physical contact. Zeromus actually has a lot of powers found in this
tier himself, like Spatial Manipulation, Transmutation, Flight, Teleportation,
and a truckload of elemental attacks. But something that really showcases how
dangerous he could be is his abilities such as absorption, matter manipulation
and Energy Manipulation. And while Zeromus DOES have a mind and makes crafty
plans all the time, He is also able to passively inflict Sap, a status effect
that drains surrounding targets of their energy overtime, which could slowly
take out the characters power cells even if all his other attacks fail.
But for a more Direct example of this...
The Color Out of Space:
You Could Use The Color Out of Space from Lovecraft Mythos. Don’t
be fooled by this thing, it is Not a beautiful rainbow northern lights, but
actually a mindless eldritch space horror that infects any biological entity
caught in it's light and mutates them into monsters. The Experiments do not have
resistance to mutations on this scale, and since the Color is able to enter and
leave Earth at a rapid pace, should be in the same speed tier and therefore can catch them.
Being living light it cannot be physically interacted with by the experiments,
and would only spread itself further if they tried. And from there it will just
drain their energy until they all succumb.
That being said the Color wasn’t the BEST character I know for
this job, although there's about to be QUITE a tonal shift for it….
Lazlo:
Lazlo from the Camp Lazlo Series would be perfect for this. Lazlo
is comparable to Clam in strength, who once burped with such force it pushed
the entire moon out of orbit at a rapid pace, an attack which would require at
least Planet levels of energy, and that Lazlo and all the other characters
directly tanked point blank. In Speed, Lazlo can easily compete with
Scoutmaster Lumpis, who was fast enough to defeat Santa Claus who was shown to
casually react to Meteors entering the atmosphere at sub relativistic speeds.
With this in mind, Lazlo easily can compete with the experiments in stats, if
not having a small stat advantage over them.
But Lazlo’s real strength is his abilities, Lazlo can regenerate
from having his head explode or being blown to pieces, so he’s in little danger
from any of their physical attacks. Lazlo can also Fly, has elasticity, he’s
got invisibility to deal with Houdini’s own invisibility. He’s got
shapeshifting and some amount of transmutation resistance due to instantly
coming back from Patsy punching him so hard he turned into another character,
so the transmutation abilities of Bugby or Coco would be of little effect.
Lazlo also has mental manipulation which would grant him some form of
resistance against characters like Swirly, Checkers or Lax, Umbrakinesis which
is able to affect intangible characters, and also spatial manipulation which
would let him one shot people, hit the microscopic entities and even seal the
logia beings away. Now I know these abilities don’t cover everything, powers
like Black Holes, Age manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Retrogression, Reality
Warping, Etc, are still Certainly a threat, BUT Lazlo does have one final
ability that would act as an impenetrable barrier against them, that being his
Probability Manipulation. Lazlo’s Probability Manipulation, is perhaps one of
the strongest examples of this power I know of in fiction and certainly makes
Shoe’s own seem laughable in comparison. With his Probability Manipulation,
Lazlo was able to walk across All of Camp Kidney on a bright sunny day, only
for it to be revealed there is actually a Massive Rainstorm completely soaking
everything EXCEPT wherever Lazlo happens to be standing at any given moment,
statistically that is more unlikely then putting a Monkey in front of a
typewriter and having it perfectly type out all of Hamlet with no Spelling and
Grammar errors, and yet his probability can make that Certain. Lazlo’s
probability manipulation can even achieve the scientifically impossible, like
when Lazlo entered a Boating competition, and made a super dense square boat
out of solid brick, concrete and steel powered by an ordinary Fan. Not only did
it not sink like a rock, not ONLY did it travel as fast as a top notch speed
boat, but the probability manipulation also made every single other boat sink
instantaneously. With this in mind, the chances of ANY Experiment managing to
successfully attack Lazlo are astronomically low, and are far more likely to
destroy each other trying, and the best part is Lazlo’s Probability
Manipulation is COMPLETELY Passive, he wasn’t even aware of it until SMITS
pointed it out to him, so this means even Snafu would be totally useless to
stop him as he could beat nearly anyone in this tier without even being aware.
Galactic Level:
Now here we have the Top Tiers of the Series, the point that
Stitch got to late in the anime after achieving his Powercell form. There are
Three characters in this tier, those being Stitch himself, Dark End and Launch.
Characters in this tier are scaling to Stitch being able to keep up with
spacecrafts traveling billions of times the speed of light, as well as dodging
laser fire from an army, using lasers fast enough to strike these ships. In
power, Stitch tank a Galaxy Busting Bomb which obliterated a giant blackhole
while standing on it, and Stitch was, after achieving his Powercell boost, able
to match Dark End in power, who was able to take on 5 Stitch Clones, each many
times more durable than Stitch, and one hit kill all 5 of them in a single
move. So those too are clearly Billions of times FTL and in the high end of
Galaxy Level. Launch on the other hand is better than even that, being a
Literal DOOMSDAY experiment designed to wipe out the universe, and the scary
thing about that is they never actually FOUND Launch, he's waiting out there
somewhere in a pod just waiting to be randomly released, sweet lord how is
finding him not their TOP priority? Anyway these 3 all have massive super
senses and super intelligence, extreme martial arts skills, and resistance to
mind and aging hax. They can spit acid, project energy and shred things to
pieces with their claws. Basically they are ultimate Apex predators realized,
only given just absurd stats for it.
The weaknesses for this tier remain the same for the most part,
though I IS much easier to find counters just due to the smaller amount of
powers. One Person I think would work great is.
Lunasa Prismriver:
Hailing from Touhou Project, Lunasa is MFTL capable of keeping up
with the Ice Fairy Cirno and given her superior mobility of flight and
telekinesis, could easily catch the experiments of this tier. While Lunasa
isn’t near as strong as them, they cannot harm her due to her nature as an
intangible Poltergeist. She CAN harm them however due to her cursed magic
Violin Music. When listened to alone, the somber noted of Lunasa’s Violin drain
away a targets energy, and spiral their mind into a depression until there is
nothing left. This actually takes Advantage of the characters super senses as
they would NOT be able to NOT listen to it. And if you are worried Launch would
just universe bust, she could easily stop that too merely through moving the
fight to a pocket dimension.
That being said, Lunasa can’t directly compete with her captive
audience, for something more in line with that you could try…
Pyron:
Pyron From the Darkstalkers Series would be extremely dangerous
for them to fight as his cosmic nature would be overwhelming. Having basically
the exact same stats as them as well as comparable intellect and skill they
would start out with a relatively even match, but before long Pyron’s superior
and dangerous attacks like Energy draining and absorption would take their toll
on the Experiments. Him winning the war of attrition is inevitable. This being
said, especially given Pyron’s arrogance and desire to play fair I could see
this taking awhile. So for my last counter...
Mistress 9:
Mistress 9 from the Sailor Moon Series would be OP against the top
tiers, being easily comparable in terms of speed and strength, but her
abilities are extremely dangerous being able to overload their super sight with
light, or stealthily grab them away with the dark, and that's not mentioning her
extremely dangerous ability to rip out the souls of her enemies which would
absolutely One-Shot any of them. But this is only her weakened disguised form,
even if you assume they get past that they have to deal with her True form,
which is just...Not gonna go well at all as her true form can drain massive
amounts of energy from their power cells which would very quickly kill them
while only buffing herself even further, it's a lose-lose situation.
You've really blown me away with this one Thor! I must seriously commend you, and not just for using the main antagonist from my favorite Lovecraft story and a villain from my favorite series ever!
ReplyDeleteThat first tier was just brutal, with all the powerful offensive haxes. But then you add in things like probability manipulation, which is something so op that in my P&S guide most of the strategy was figuring out ways around it, and Snafu whose chaos hax is incredibly hard to fight. Your strategies of using a mindless character or using a character whose passive hax would work were both amazingly clear and elegant in their simplicity yet at the same time perfectly cogent strategies. AS soon as I saw the color out of space, I immediately understood the argument for why it would be so op, yet at the same time you explained it so well I felt like I was reintroduced to the character again.
That's not even getting into Lazlo. I was somewhat away of how strong his probability manipulation was, but I could not guess how strong it really was, especially given his other esoteric hax resistances like coming back from being hit. Truly his passive probability hax is the perfect thing to counter Snafu and the L&S verse in general at that tier. Huge congrats on thinking such a good counter.
For the galactic tiers, while it was easier that does not make it less interesting to see how you planned to countering the characters at this tier. I am only lightly familiar with Touhou and somewhat in awareness of Darkstalkers, but both the sections for Lunasa and Pyron were very convincing in how they would be good counters....though my heart truly exploded with joy to see Mistress 9. Mistress 9 is probably one of the most famous villainesses of the Sailor Moon universe, and it made me very happy to see your analysis of her!
I honestly think this is my favorite of the ones you've done so far. Amazing job!
Great job Thor! This certainly is a pretty underrated series in terms of how powerful it is so it was fun to read your take on the best way to fight this verse. I don't even remember Snafu but it is interesting how much you have to shift your versus strategies just to account for him. I'm happy to see Final Fantasy to get mentioned for one of the counters and the Sap status effect seems like a perfect way to deal with the pesky Snafu. I'm surprised you found a use for Lazlo as a counter, but his broken luck abilities really are insane to have to deal with.
ReplyDeleteThe Galactic level counters seem like pretty good counters as well. I remember you putting Pyron as your preferred opponent for Stitch a while back but I can see why you changed your mind on that given his inherent advantage over the verse. Touhou Project seems like good series in general to apply to these VS Strategy Guides. Finally Mistress 9 seems like a perfect fit to counter the top tiers with her soul manipulation and energy draining.
What a surprise! This blog takes me way back to your Stitch analysis blog, that was a great one! And this one's no exception. I can only imagine how tricky it was to write this. There are so many powers my head was spinning, and you'd need to figure out who could get around every single one.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't figure out how to deal with Snafu, but Lazlo was the perfect answer omg. Great job putting your cartoon knowledge to work! As soon as I saw him I was like "yep, there's the Snafu counter". He has a host of other things in his kit to handle the rest of the verse too; Lazlo's definitely one of the stand out counters here for me.
Good on you for singling out energy drain as a weakness. Seems like it's pretty consistent throughout the verse's tiers, it's just a matter of the energy drainer being able to survive at the higher ends. Lunasa's a really good choice for survivability here, seems like she can safely drain everyone with total ease. That's how you spell OP! And speaking of, I knew as soon as I heard "energy drain" a character from a magical girl series, probably a Sailor Moon villain, would appear. And I was right! Mistress 9's a fantastic choice, this particular hax is her specialty! And that's saying a lot, coming from a series where everyone and their dog can energy drain.
Oh, one last thing. Wanted to say thanks for using Zeromus too! As you know, I'm a huge FF fan and Zeromus is the first final boss in that series I ever beat, really took me back. He's not humanoid so he doesn't get featured in stuff like Dissidia so I feel like not a lot of people outside of the fanbase know him; it was great seeing the embodiment of hatred get some love! Great blog, I really enjoyed reading it! Give yourself a pat on the back dude.
Dude holy crap, I can't thank you enough for representing Lazlo. It makes me happy to see a character from such an underrated show get pointed out on how strong they are. I must've watched every Camp Lazlo episode but never seen him in a Death Battle-related thing until now. So again, thank you
ReplyDeleteYou’re so welcome! It’s great to hear that
DeleteIt's great to hear that too! If you ever do a bio for him, I have a perfect opponent in mind: Bessie Higgenbottom from The Mighty B.
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