Sunday, March 8, 2020

Death Battle Prediction: Ghostface VS The Fisherman




Ya know I have Always wanted to do a Horror Prediction Blog, and This is sure to be a KILLER of a first one! Since the Invention of the Slasher Genre, the idea of the terrifying stalker killer, cloaked in black and watching from afar, always one step ahead of you as they move in for the kill has been very popular, and here we have two that brought that stereotype into a fine art! Ghostface the Real Life Phone Line Slasher from Scream, and The Fisherman, the Vengeful Urban Legend turned Real from I Know What You Did Last Summer. These two have brought psychological terror up to a new standard, and have more than the body count to prove it, but in a battle between two Predators, who will end up Prey?

Warning: In addition to the Slasher and Spoof elements, both Scream and I Know What You Did Last Summer are also very much mystery movies with both Killer’s identities being a major part of the mystery, as such this blog will MASSIVELY Spoil both series, to mitigate this I will refrain from using their real names outside of the background sections, but read at your own risk.

Background:

Ghostface

It all started with a Scream over 911 one year in Woodsboro, California. A teenage girl and her boyfriend were massacred in a brutal scene that looked like something out of a Slasher Movie, as that is exactly what the killer intended. These two were the first in a long line of grizzly murders by the serial killer, Ghostface.
Now there have been 7 different people who have taken up the title of Ghostface, and while all their feats are being considered here today, we will be focusing on the original and best Ghostface, Billy Loomis.
Loomis was an inquisitive high school film student, who in particular loved Scary Movies, to a rather obsessive degree. He loved to break down all the formulas and Cliques and study their meanings. When it came out that Loomis’ Dad had been having an Affair with another woman, causing Billy’s mother to leave them.
Enraged, Loomis went over the edge and became determined to make his own Slasher Movie, In Real Life. Loomis first started dating Sidney, the daughter of the woman who had seduced his father. One year later he Murdered Sidney’s Mother and framed another man for the job. 
And finally on the one year anniversary he began his true plan, donning a generic Scream Mask and black robe as the Serial Killer, Ghostface.
Ghostface is a rather meta killer with a flare for the dramatic. His favorite means of committing his murders is to cold call people, ask them about their favorite Scary Movies before scaring the crap out of them with saying how he's watching them, in their home, and going to kill them. Ghostface was able to manipulate practically the entire town of Woodsboro like pawns on a chess board, following the plot of a bloody scary slasher movie to the letter, all leading up to his prime Target, Sidney. 
Ghostface’s Plan was to kill everyone including Sidney, stab himself through the torso multiple times in ways he wouldn't die, and leave Sidney’s father with a gunshot wound in his head and all the evidence in his pocket. Making it look like he snapped and killed everyone on the anniversary of his wife's death and then killed himself, with Billy just being a survivor. Able to plan for his ‘Sequel’ because these days, there's always gotta be a sequel.
Ghostface is a deadly principled mastermind fully dedicated to his craft of making a flawless horror movie. He follows all the basic tropes of a horror movie to a T, Virgins don’t get killed, people who drink or have sex die, people who say they will be right back never are, the works. He is a complete and total psychopath and enjoys taunting and playing with his victims so they become as scared as possible before they go down. One of the most interesting things about him is despite having a motive for his actions in Sidney’s mothers cheating ruining his family, he actually hates motives as a troupe due to it making the story less scary. Ghostface as a true chaotic evil rejects the notion that he is doing this for any other reason than he just wants to see the world as messed up as he can make it.
“Well I don't really believe in motives Sid, I mean did Norman Bates have a motive? Did we ever find out why Hannibal Lector liked to eat people? DON'T THINK SO. See it's a lot scarier when there's no motive.”
-Ghostface

Fisherman

One thing common across all cultures is folklore, tall tales passed around at campfires, they’ve been told a million times and have just as many variants. One of the most popular ones in America involves a lunatic killer with a hook for a hand, like all folklore tales it has a million variations, but each one all leads back to some true event it’s based on, this is that true event.
On one 4th of July Evening, in the small coastal town of Southport, North Carolina, Julie James and her friends were out partying, celebrating their last summer before moving to college. After a bonfire on the beach, the group drunkenly drove home on a dark secluded country road overlooking a cliff.
What started as reckless youthful fun turned into horror as they crashed directly into a pedestrian sending him flying dozens of feet into a bloody heap on the side of the road.
Scared that this would ruin their lives forever, the teens opted to dump the body in the ocean and never speak of this again. They committed a lot of crimes that night, manslaughter, hit and run, destroying evidence, but the one rule they broke above all else, When you leave someone for Dead…
Make Sure He’s REALLY DEAD! The man that they hit was a local fisherman named Ben Willis, and he was quite literally the last person you wanted to hit with your car. Decades prior to this, Willis murdered his wife for cheating on him, and on this very night had just killed a man named David Egan for one year prior causing a car accident that killed his daughter Susie. So needless to say he was not a guy who was gonna just let this go.
After miraculously pulling his injured body from the water, he healed up and got to work planning his vengeance, dawning a long dark slicker and a giant hook, it was time for The Fisherman to Go Fishing. 
In the days leading up to the anniversary of this he psychologically tortured his targets, it started with threatening notes that simply read “I Know What You Did Last Summer”, but quickly escalated into violent and disfiguring acts.
It all culminated on the 4th of July when The Fisherman went full killing spree on these kids, in the end slaying more than half of them, yet losing his hand in the process. But that’s not going to stop him, he escaped and came after them again, luring Julie and her friend Karla to an Island in the Bahamas to take his revenge, because he does not forget, and he does not forgive.
The Fisherman is one of the more lawful evil slasher villains, the only people he kills are those that personally do him wrong, and those that get in his way of doing so. He also seems to judge people based on their morality, as the person he was most angry at wasn’t Ray, the person who actually hit him, but Julie, the person who protested dumping his body the entire time, but ultimately conceded. The Fisherman’s eye for an eye justice mentality is an absolute and he is very stubborn and relentless in his pursuit of fulfilling it. He did love his children very dearly though it seems, suggesting that he was once an honorable man, who has been grizzled and twisted into an angry cynical state by a life of hardships.
“Are you in trouble child?...That's a shame. Being it's fourth of July and all. Kids like you should be out having fun. Drinking. Partying. Running people over. Getting away with murder. Things like that.”
-The Fisherman

Intelligence/Skill:

Ghostface

Ghostface is extremely intelligent and manipulative. His plan was so detailed as to date Sidney for 2 years ahead of time of his murder spree just to ensure it would be a shocking reveal. Ghostface is smart enough to perfectly manipulate and predict the actions of every single person involved in his victims lives, including their friends and the law enforcements. He is a master of psychological warfare and can set extremely advanced and elaborate traps.
Ghostface is a very skilled combatant, he was able to overpower and kill a professional hollywood bodyguard, as well as go on a rampage attacking 5 people at once, where he killed 3 of them and captured the remaining two.
He has also at multiple points beaten and murdered police officers proving his skills even further. Ghostface is also an extremely stealthy character able to quickly maneuver through crowded areas without being detected and break into homes and even heavily guarded studios.

Fisherman

The Fisherman is smart enough to hack into a karaoke machine, manipulate entire groups of people against each other without actually being there, and make very advanced plans and traps, predicting the actions of everyone involved, he also doesn’t even need to resort to making plans to get away with crimes because he's so good the police never know a crime was committed, and was careful enough to research his targets for a full year before executing his plan. 
The Fisherman is extremely skilled at fighting, never actually struggling against any opponent including going on a rampage against 5 people at once, killing police officers and other really good fighters like Barry.
Also he's a master of stealth, able to hide in steam and predict the actions of his foes to sneak around, He can sneak through areas totally undetected, chopped up Helen’s hair while she slept and both planted and removed Max’s body from a car trunk in a suburb in broad daylight without anyone seeing him.

Weapons/Equipment:

Ghostface

  • Buck 120:

Ghostface has an arsenal of equipment perfectly tailored to his unique style of killing. His standard and most trusty killing tool is his modified Buck 120 Hunting Knife. These knives are typically 8 inches long and commonly used in hunting and combat scenarios to produce deep stab wounds and even skin and fillet hunted animals. It is sharp, deadly with slashes and stabs and much more designed for fighting than weapons used by most slasher movie villains who use blades designed cooking or gardening. In the 3rd film Ghostface is established to carry multiple of this type of knife within the sleeves of his costume, and has displayed enough skill with it to accurately use it as a throwing weapon.
  • Vocal Manipulator:

Ghostface is known to create his distinct voice using voice manipulation devices, most of which are simple voice changers he uses to call people on the phone, however in the 3rd film he has a portable voice manipulator which allows him to speak with this voice in person, as well as Mimic the voices of others and throw his voice around the immediate area making him difficult to track.
  • Ballistics Vest:

Lastly, Again in the 3rd film sorry he just clearcut had the best gear there so that's what we are going with, Ghostface wears a Bulletproof Vest under his costume as armor that allows him to take barrages of gunfire to his upper torso without any difficulty.

Fisherman

  • Gaff Hook:

The Fisherman’s arsenal is simple but all too effective, his weapon of choice being a large specialized Gaff Hook, a tool used, funny enough, by fishermen to pull fish large enough to break a fishing rod into a boat, as well as string up large fish weighing hundreds of pounds to weigh and prepare. The Fisherman’s Hook is made of Forged Steel and unlike normal ones that merely have a point, his is sharpened along its interior similar to that of a Krambit curved knife. 
And while he used to simply carry one of these as a weapon, after losing his right hand he did what any badass fisherman does and attached it to his arm in place of a hand. Fisherman is skilled enough to stab this hook accurately into someones vital organs for instant kills, as well as use the hook as a surprisingly effective combat weapon. He used the thin blunt side of the hook as a devastating punching and bashing weapon, and the sharp side to slash and stab people, the beauty of that being because its a hook both of those aren’t cutting injuries but Ripping injuries which bleed significantly more and are significantly harder to heal from. He also uses it to hook onto a person's weapons or limbs to disarm or throw them and otherwise control the battlefield, as well as fittingly, string them up and carry them like a fresh caught fish.
  • Slicker:

The Fisherman also wears a spooky black Slicker, Slickers are made of a combination of various materials most notably Gore-Tex and Tyvek. Gore-Tex is a highly flexible and malleable material that can absorb impacts and traps in heat which makes it extremely difficult to see with night or infrared vision. Tyvek on the other hand is a durable waterproof plastic that is resistant to high impacts and tearing though is vulnerable to blades.

Feats:

Ghostface

Strength:
  • Tossed a dead girl straight through a glass door.
  • Beat the shit out of Steve.
  • Easily Smashed through a window.
  • Kicked in a locked door.

  • At one point he Smashed through a car window with the pommel of his knife, Side windows on a car are most commonly made of Tempered Glass, which has a Tensile Strength of 9,427 PSI. This means to have smashed through it Ghostface must have punched with a force of 111,319 Joules.
  • Tossed CiCi off the roof and through a glass door.

  • Stabbed directly through a hard wood door.
  • Tossed a very overweight guy on top of a van.
  • Broke the window of a Van.

Speed:
  • Gutted Steve before a girl could hit a light switch.
  • Hung Casey from a tree in the yard in less than 10 seconds.
  • Disappeared from sight in less than 10 seconds before changing costumes and running back. This would take a normal person roughly 2 minutes, making him 12 times faster.
  • Disappeared from a cop car before Sidney noticed.

Durability:
  • Endured a Car Crash, though it knocked him out.
  • Endured being stabbed like 4 times through the upper torso.
  • Endured being Shot through the torso.

General:
  • So well generalized the Horror formula that he predicted everything that everyone would do.
  • Smashed through a police car window, killed a cop then jumped over the roof and beat the shit out of the other cop before crashing him through a pole.
  • Got the drop on and beat up a professional bodyguard

Fisherman

Strength:
  • Is strong enough to lift and pull full grown men off the ground with one hand on his hook.
  • Overpowered Barry, who endured being smashed through a wall by a speeding car.
  • Knocked Ray out in just a single punch.

  • Smashed through a solid wood trap door. The dimensions of this trap door appear to be 3 feet by 3 feet with a thickness of over an inch, this would give it a volume of 21237.6 cm^3, violently fragmenting it would be 389497.58 Joules of energy
  • Broke a Metal hatch Door Down, he was able to do this by kicking in the door.

Speed:
  • The Fishermen left a man's body covered in a large amount of live crustaceans in Julie’s Trunk, when she discovered it, he somehow came ran to her trunk and stole the body, removed all evidence and escaped before she could simply run upstairs and bring her friends back down again.
  • After murdering Barry, he managed to escape from the Balcony with his body in less than 20 seconds without anyone seeing him. Then was able to intercept Helen’s ride home immediately after. It would take a normal person at least 2 and a half minutes to do all this while weighed down by a body, which makes him about 8 times faster than a normal person.

Durability:
  • Endured being Hit Head on by a car at 40 miles per hour, threw him dozens of feet and heavily dented the car itself. He also Scaled past the durability of Barry, who was able to endure a similar car crash that knocked him through a wall with minor injuries. This would be the equivalent of 293,928 Joules, or about 3/20ths of a pound of TNT exploding.
  • Endured falling through the roof of a building.

General:
  • Somehow didn't Drown after being tossed in the water covered head to toe in injuries.
  • Was able to swim from out in the open ocean against a powerful tide to shore, despite having just had his hand ripped off and losing a lot of blood.

Weaknesses:

Ghostface

Ghostface’s biggest weakness is his own costume, the scream mask and long black robe affect his vision and coordination leading to him falling over on rare occasions, albeit it is possible he is doing this on purpose to draw out the terror and make it more like a horror movie, a theory that holds a lot of weight considering how skilled he is.

Fisherman

The Fisherman is stubborn and has a one track mind of vengeance to a near obsessive degree, and this has lead to him getting tunnel vision and making mistakes leading to him losing even more, including his hand and his son. That being said this normally isn’t a problem as he’s shown to be smart enough to plan out years in advance and has been perfectly capable of dealing with all the side factors.

Summary:

Ghostface

Advantages

  • Somewhat more Agile.
  • Superior Endurance.
  • More Well Equipped Gear.
  • Better Range.

Disadvantages

  • Not Quite as Strong.
  • Less Experienced.
  • Will Get Tired Faster.
  • Not as Durable.

Fisherman

Advantages

  • Physically Stronger.
  • Superior Stamina.
  • Physically More Durable.
  • More Experience.

Disadvantages

  • A Bit Slower.
  • Much more simplistic Arsenal.
  • Only Effective in Melee Range.
  • Can’t take as many fatal injuries.

Battle:

It was a pleasant evening in the San Diego Suburbs, in a secluded home along the shoreway a telephone rang….
“Hello?” said Karla as she answered the phone.
“Hello, Karla..” Replied an eerie yet somehow alluring voice.
“Um, yeah who is this?”
“Oh just a concerned good samaritan….with the murders and all it’s starting to feel like some kind of horror movie around here…”
“Oh don’t you be pulling that Halloween Shit with me! First your notes now this? If you call me again I’m calling the cops!”
“Notes? What are you talking ab…” The voice was cut off by Karla hanging up.
“Asshole” she said in a huff, at that very moment, a spinning metal coin was heard coming from her closet, stopping her dead.
With a chill down her spine, Karla slowly turned around to face the door, reaching for it, it was suddenly smashed open by a large dark figure with a Hook for a hand.
Karla fell backwards and screamed as he stepped out from the doorway. “You!” she called before running from the room in terror, going round the hall into another room and slamming the door.
“Boo” She heard behind her. As she turned around to see Ghostface brandishing a knife.
The Fisherman walked out from the room, in just enough time to see a bloodied Karla tossed out from a room down the hall and Ghostface step out. 
“What The?” Ghostface said, The Fisherman looked down at his stolen vengeance lying on the floor and stared back at Ghostface, his hidden face emanating a burning intensity.
FIGHT!
The Fisherman walked forward brandishing his Hook toward Ghostface. 
“Oh, Scary” Ghostface Mocked as Fisherman threw a powerful punch with his hook. Ghostface dodged out of the way as the hook broke through the drywall behind him. Thinking fast, Ghostface grabbed the door behind him and swung it into The Fisherman’s face knocking him back.
Fisherman ripped his hook out from the wall and kicked the door away, but Ghostface had disappeared, the ladder to the attic was down. Cautiously The Fisherman walked up the attic ladder only to see the doors to the attic were swung wide open. He walked to the doorway to investigate.
“Karla, I’m Here, what's going on?” he heard the voice of Julie James call from downstairs. The Fisherman turned around, from the doorway behind him Ghostface jumped down from above the door frame and Grabbed the Fisherman suddenly, violently throwing him through the Wood Balcony rail and off the roof. 
The Fisherman crashed hard on the ground flat on his back and lay motionless in the yard. Ghostface held up his hand to reveal a Vocal Manipulator and said in Julie's voice “No surprise Guests pal”
Ghostface walked out down stairs and out the front door, he looked into the yard to the Fisherman’s corpse which….wasn’t there.
Ghostface was suddenly grabbed by his collar and thrown face first into a tree, falling onto his back as The Fisherman walked around and stood over the dazed killer. He raised his Hook and swung it down in a damning arc, but Ghostface hops up and dodges at the last second, The Fisherman’s Hook getting jammed into the concrete.
As he struggled to pull it out Ghostface ran up and Kicked him hard, ripping the hook out of the ground and making him stumble back. Ghostface pulled out his Knife, and a 2nd Knife from his sleeve. “Well, Looks like my Slasher Scenario has gone into Crossover VS” He said. The Fisherman was not amused, he runs up to Ghostface and throws a slash with his hook, Ghostface easily leaned his head back and dodged, and then came forward and headbutted the Fisherman. Ghostface slashed into the side of his slicker but did not draw blood, he stabbed at him with his other knife, but The Fisherman dodged out of the way and elbowed Ghostface back. Several feet towards the cliffside.
The Fisherman moved towards his position and threw a stab with his hook hand, but Ghostface hopped backwards out of the way. Ghostface took several slashes with his knives but The Fisherman simply backed out of range of them towards the cliff edge. 
The Fisherman slashed at Ghostface with his hook, Ghostface hopped backwards to avoid it, but to his surprise, the hook caught the long sleeve of Ghostface's robe and The Fisherman in a fluid motion wrapped it around Ghostface's arms and pulled down, "Oh Shit!" Ghostface called, as he was throw off balance with his arms tangled.
Fisherman raised his left hand and delivered a powerful Punch to his face causing Blood to splash out from his mask and Ghostface to groan in pain. Fisherman then grabbed his leg and tossed Ghostface over the hillside, the fabric of his sleeve tore off on the hook as he was freed and sent tumbling down the bumpy grass face to the streets below. 
The Fisherman climbed down after him but miraculously he was gone by the time he got there. He looked around, searching for any evidence as to where he might have gone. Suddenly a knife was hurlled through the air from the shadows, with barely any time to react The Fisherman raised his arm and blocked the knife, it stabbing deep into his right forearm as he took a knee and groaned.
An ominous laugh was heard echoing through the streets, seeming to be coming from everywhere, "Whats the matter Ahab? You look like you've seen a Ghost..." the voice taunted.
The Fisherman reached over with his other hand and pulled the knife out of his arm, tossing it to the ground as he stood up.
"Ha, you think yourself a killer boy....but you're just some wannabe, copying what he sees in the movies...You don't have the guts to kill someone by your own rules, Thats MY Job." The Fisherman said in a gruff voice as he stepped under the streetlight.
"Oh for Fucks Sake, another out of touch geezer, trying to blame all the worlds problems on Media. Let me Tell you something Fucker, Horror Movies Don't Make Psychos!"
"Horror Movies Make Psychos....MORE CREATIVE!"
The Fisherman Cries out in Pain as suddenly Ghostface's arm reaches out from the Storm Drain Behind him and stabs him straight through the knee and blood leaks over the ground. "Take this Georgie!"
"ARRG!" Fisherman screams as he turns around and kicks at the arm, but Ghostface is too fast and stabs him through the foot. Fisherman kicks him square in the face and Ghostface falls down as the Fisherman clutches his leg.
Quickly getting up, Ghostface runs to the manhole cover in the middle of the street and pops out, but to his surprise the Fisherman is gone, there was however a blood trail, Ghostface followed it, it went past his position over too the darkness, but then back into the street into an open Manhole cover....
"...Oh" Ghostface was suddenly grabbed by the ankles and violently pulled back underground into the sewer, and the fisherman started violently smashing him into the walls. Ghostface Slashes into his side to gain some distance, as the Fisherman takes his Hook Hand and Punches Ghostface as hard as he can in the gut, However the Ballistics' vest absorbs the blow and Ghostface slashes The Fisherman in the side of the face drawing blood.
Fisherman in response lifts his leg up and Stomps on Ghostface's knee, fracturing his ankle.
"Ahh!" he calls before being grabbed by the throat as The Fisherman delivers an uppercut with the blunt side of his hook, echoing through the metal and breaking Ghostface's cheekbone as he fell back against the wall in a heap.
"Ha...not bad....but I think...you're all washed up..." Ghostface said as suddenly he reached the safety valve and switched it, causing a massive flow of storm water to be released and smash into them with tremendous force, sweeping the two out to sea.
...
On a misty dock on the Pacific coast, Ghostface crawled up, sparks flew from his destroyed Vocal manipulator, his mask was shredded, as he looked to the side, he saw The Fisherman's Hat floating in the water and smirked.
Suddenly the Wood further down the Dock broke to pieces as the Fisherman popped his exposed head out. "Oh you have got to be kidding" Ghostface said, now in his normal voice as the two got to their feet.
"No where to run now." The Fisherman called brandishing his hook. 
Ghostface Runs forward for a stab, but The Fisherman grabs his arm and punches him in the gut again to no effect. Taking advantage of the fail, Ghostface steps on a loose plank and it Wacks The Fisherman in the face making him stumble backwards.
Ghostface ceases the opportunity and runs in for a Full Stab, with no time to dodge or Block, The Fisherman turns to the left so the knife stabs into not his Heart but his left Shoulder, disabling his arm, but that doesn't slow him down as he Headbutts Ghostface, causing him to lose his Knife, and he swings his Hook forward, Stabbing Ghostface Right Through the Bulletproof vest, and Lifts him off the ground with one hand.
In tremendous Pain, Ghostface Spits Blood into The Fisherman's eye and Kicks himself off the Hook, landing on the dock with a hard thud, as he tries to crawl away.
The Fisherman walks over and steps on his back. "You played a good game boy, but the game is finished, now you die." And with that, the Fisherman puts his Hook around Ghostface's Neck and Twists his arm until it Breaks his Neck.
He then kicks the body off the dock where it sinks into the black waves.
KO!

Results:

Welp, That was Brutal. This was an extremely close fight where Neither combatant had a totally solid advantage in anything, so the small differences were what really mattered in determining the outcome, especially in terms of stats and secondary stats.
Looking at their greatest Strength Feats, The Fisherman had the advantage, with violently fragmenting that hatch door being nearly triple the force of Ghostface shattering that car window. Even if you take a closer look at their other feats, The Fisherman’s were generally either equal or more impressive, Ghostface kicked down wood doors, but he kicked down a metal one, etc. This was similar in terms of Durability, as Ghostface has never endured being hit by anything as high as The Fisherman surviving that car crash without any crippling injuries, and that puts him higher than Ghostface’s physical strikes as well. Now Ghostface has higher endurance sure, but endurance isn’t nearly as good as raw durability in any situation.
Speedwise it's a different story as Ghostface is about 1.5 times faster than The Fisherman so he would be able to dodge attacks more easily, that being said this speed advantage is certainly not big enough for him to be blitzing, so if he gets into close range with The Fisherman he would still be in a lot of danger fighting a stronger opponent.
To talk about Armor, Ghostface wears a Ballistic Vest, which sounds like it would be extremely helpful in this battle but in actuality that vest would do Nothing to protect against The Fisherman. Essentially Bullet Proof does not mean Stab Proof, Kevlar Vests work by distributing the impact of the bullet around the entirety of the structure, lowering its kinetic energy to the point it can’t pass through. This is the opposite of what one should do when faced with a stab from a blade, as stab proof vests instead bunch up and harden in the single point of impact catching the blade. The principle is similar to how Bullets don’t work in water, but knives do, stabbing through a bulletproof vest isn’t EASY per say, but it does not require superhuman strength to do either and the Fisherman clearly would be able to.
The Fisherman actually was wearing better armor for this fight as Slickers partly are made of Gore-Tex which would absorb energy and be very difficult to slash through.
In terms of secondary stats these two REALLY Scrapped, especially in the categories of Intelligence, Skill and Stealth, where they were so similar there was no real point in giving one side the edge cause it would be too small to make a difference. Ghostface had superior Range, but this was merely because he can throw knives, he's got one spare knife for ammo and if he does it twice he could wind up unarmed and that is a bad situation. Actually a lot of Ghostface’s Strategy would be on one off tricks like this, like fooling The Fisherman with the voice manipulator, something that would only work Once. 
The Fisherman’s strategy is much more straightforward, and it's clearly shown with his large advantage in Stamina, Ghostface will become exhausted FAR more quickly, meaning the more drawn out Ghostface takes this, the harder it's going to get.
It is for this reason, among others that despite Ghostface having more than the ability to win, I feel The Fisherman takes it at least 65% of the time via drawing the fight out, luring Ghostface in close combat and overpowering him. In this battle of killers, Fisherman’s experience trumped Ghostface Hook, Line and Sinker.
The Winner is The Fisherman...

Next Time:


5 comments:

  1. Fantastic job Thor! Thrilling from beginning to end, which is especially impressive given this is your first horror death prediction and first low tier death prediction. Of course being low tier definitely doesn't mean they should be underestimated!

    The analysis did a great job of taking into consideration all their showings! I thought it was especially effective how you contrasted the two as a nihilistic force of chaos and a self-righteous evil of retribution. The two characters I found really interesting, as well as more meta then I expected, especially Ghostface. I felt sorry for Ghostface given his it seemed to me overcompensation for his true nature as a grieving child but truthfully I was, in my heart, rooting for Fisherman. Not that I knew either before hand, but knowing that he was truly trying to do what was, in his mind, the right thing and that he was victimized much more made me feel even sorry for the twisted old man he is.

    A point for both your pre and post fight analysis, I thought it was really great how you deliberately contrasted feats of the characters that are directly comparable like kicking down a wooden door vs kicking down a metal door. I could also really tell you did your research into his bulletproof vests work and how blades interact with them! Excellent analyzing at the end. Such minimal differences doesn't come into play much in higher tiers where characters are often hundreds to thousands of times stronger or faster then each other, but not when they are 1.5 to 3 times so.

    The fight was absolutely amazing. I loved how well I could feel their personalities and symbolism shining through even though I didn't know the characters. The way Ghostface repeatedly makes horror references and is more comical while the Fisherman is more deathly focused and emerged from the sea. I liked most the parts where Ghostface deceived Fisherman with the voice modulator, the two regularly disappearing from sight, Fisherman dragging Ghostface into the sewer and Ghostface actually confirming the kill. I also really liked your set up, the way Ghostface is surprised by the "notes" is a really fun way of foreshadowing the fight!

    I think you did a really good job balancing the delicate parts of a street tier fight; the need to keep it realistic and grounded feeling with the want to make it dynamic and archetypal and constantly exciting. In a sense you had to balance the two characters, the more serious focused direct Fisherman and the more archetypal and dynamic Ghostface and you handled it great! It was a really good mixture of visceral and direct violence with manipulation of environment and interesting tactics, which I imagine must have been tricky given the two characters relative lack of abilities.

    As for next time, I am a big fan of Mythological Fantasy, so this should be really cool! Egyptian Mythology can be quite strange so I am eager to see what strange abilities they have to offer are :)

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  2. This. Was. Awesome! I seriously dig horror and low-powered fights, this one was a dream come true! I'm so glad you found some iconic villains that matched well enough for the fight to be even, as horror movie villains can end up all over the place. And boy was this close! Starting at the ending instead of the beginning, your post-fight analysis made it clear how this isn't a black and white verdict. Which makes sense, that's the impression I was getting all along as your pre-fight analysis showed how tight this ruling would end up and throughout the battle itself the two seemed evenly matched.

    Backing myself way up to the start again, your opening hook (pun intended) was perfect, especially the last line of the initial paragraph. Really got me hooked (I'll try to stop now). Thoughtful of you to include the spoiler, I hope that those still missing out on these classics go give them a view! The tracks you included were excellent, way to set the mood with official source material. Even when you stepped outside their respective soundtracks to choose songs that didn't belong to either (very appropriate to be more neutral for the fight section), you once again proved your talent of finding music that fit characters it wasn't even composed for.

    The analysis made me acutely aware of how crazy slasher villains can be, despite being "mere" mortals. Especially the speed and stealth feats. When you time things out and say out loud the things they get away with, in plain English, it makes me laugh with amazement. I also really enjoyed the equipment sections. Even though their respective arsenals are small and limited, you gave them the love they deserve. Lots of detail even on something as simple as a rain slicker or knife! Without superpowers or magic, this gear is one of the most crucial aspects of the fight imo.

    Speaking of the fight! I know I say this a lot, but this was sooooo good! Your knowledge of horror movies really shone through. The pacing, the action, the atmosphere...God this was great. Wish I could see it on the silver screen, but your descriptions were good enough I could picture a wonderfully brutal brawl of stalkers. I loved the references you included, the Halloween one most of all. Still one of my favorite endings. The attacks had visceral weight to them as they landed, like the punch Ghostface took to the face and the and cuts and stabs The Fisherman took as Ghostface hid in the sewers. I also really love dynamic battles where the action transitions from place to place, including locations iconic to each fighter and boy did you deliver! Neither of these characters have special means of transport available to them on the fly, I was impressed by your clever use of the sewers and the ensuing flood out to sea. Not only was it creative, but it's the kind of thing that'd only happen in the movies! I hung on this fight til the very last stomach-churning snap. Excellent story-telling, bravo!

    I talked about the post-fight analysis earlier, not too much for me to say other than I agree with you on your verdict. It's very close but based on what you're saying, it makes sense that The Fisherman takes it more often than not. That just leaves Next Time. It looks like you're keeping the Halloween spirit alive all year long my man, I'm very curious to see what you have to say about another horror icon, one that's a personal favorite of mine. Thanks for the outstanding blog Thor!

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  3. Great to finally see you do a horror fight Thor! I feel like I’ve seen the Fisherman parodied in multiple shows but I finally know where he came from. Both characters seem like pretty cool horror villains. I was a bit skeptical of the meta based premise of Ghostface but I think you did a good job of showing the great character he is.

    The fight was great! I think it’s a testament to your writing skills that you write entertaining fights for both more cosmic/toonforce battles and for more grounded fights like this. It truly captured a similar sense of horror + action as the fight scenes of Freddy vs Jason movie. It seems like you did great in paying homage to both horror franchises throughout the fight. I appreciate the little things in the fight, such as how Ghostface’s unwieldy robe weakness was shown in the battle. The Undertale song you used works surprisingly well for the fight.
    I know trying to analyze characters with more grounded stats can be tricky but I definitely think you made the right call with the Fisherman’s endurance and strength being a big hurdle for Ghostface. I really appreciate the research that went into analyzing their weapons, armor, and feats since it’s a significantly smaller difference in stats than many other fights.

    Finally, but most importantly, I can’t believe Ghostface told the Fisherman “Ok, Boomer” :P.

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    1. Also, good to more classic monsters analyzed. Will be interesting to see how strong these two mummies are.

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  4. So, did you only include feats The Fisherman had from the first IKWYDLS film? He came back as a zombie in the third one, and that wasn't brought up at all.

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